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A Final Word on the Firefox Fiasco

So the Mozilla develpers – particularly the Firefox ones – appear to have adopted this stance:

We are going to bring the XML/RSS easy-subscribe feature to a new, wider group who isn’t demanding it yet, with no planned course of action for the people who are currently using it and came to rely upon it. Furthermore, we will leave them with no official way to reproduce the behavior which has been present now in our brower for years.

In short, when the Mozilla team mankes a decison, it’s final, and it appears that they are looking to expand their userbase, even at the expense of the most dedicated users now. So if you choose to have the search engine of your website return RSS for external apps but styled XML for a browser, turns out — you can’t.

It’s been days since I posted on this site about this; the goal was to make sure my new post was not overly dramatic. But here goes: I am now going to be suggesting that Windows users I support use IE7.

Why? Because IE7 is a nice upgrade. It supports most of the features that I think are necessary in a browser. Most people will never use AdBlock or any extensions at all, so that who construct is a non-starter. And it’s much more secure. Firefox, however, has notable memory leaks. IE7 uses far less memory when open for a long period. This is a FIREFOX issue, as you can see, Camino doesn’t have the same problems:

task manager
Firefox, open for ~8 hours

activity monitor
Camino, open for ~38 hours

Lastly, the IE team has done an AMAZING job at responding to their users. I’ve watched the IE blog, and I am really impressed with the level of communication and immersion the devs have. They are patient and appear to take an interested in their users.

The Firefox team, while mostly even tempered and polite, has pretty much given me the push off by suggesting that they know better than I do about how RSS is used in the real world, and therefore, decided that my website should work the way that /they/ want. In fact, they are SO sure of themselves, they won’t even provide me — the webmaster — a way to do what I used to do, even with extra steps. No, consistency is key – my wishes are second to a consistent web experience for someone who is new to the web (and likely won’t even know the term “RSS” until about 2009). Furthermore, the leader of the project himself, Asa Dotzler, posted a “slam” against me in the Firefox newsgroup that perfectly illustrates the point – the developers are missing the idea completely.

They are so focused on catering to the end user that they have decided that that the tech-savvy people, people who made Firefox successful in the first place, are no longer important. So unimportant that when they complain that the browser has changed its behaviors and things no longer work as they have for years, their only responses are “we aim for consistency and ease of use for the end user.”

If Firefox devs can *decide* one day that the trends of use are different than current use or even different than intended when a standard was written, and will make decisions that change the ways the browser behaves with very little notice or upgrade path, how can we invest ourselves in them by using the browser full time? Knowing they could pull the rug out from under us?

To address those who say that IE7 does the same thing, I have two responses:

1. IE /adds/ functionality to RSS. It’s less insulting when I can do things manipulate the data I couldn’t do before. It’s not my preference, but it’s at least a decent response.
2. Much more importantly, IE7 *IS* an aggregator. It will save posts, mark them read, allow you to filter them, track multiple feeds, etc. IE7 is a full feature RSS reader, and a full featured RSS reader can remove style. Firefox just wants to style a feed its own way.

So, am I blowing off Firefox completely? I’m not sure. No doubt I am invested in FF, from both a data standpoint (all my cookies, usernames, passwords, etc) , but also from a user standpoint. I’ve been using it for over 5 years, and it’s home to me. But it certainly looks like the day of switching (probably to Opera) is coming soon.

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IE7 Redux: Ya’ll Missed the Point

I have gotten a lot of email and read a lot of comments about my piece on IE7. The funny thing is, so many people complained and argued my piece about how I’m a fool for liking IE. In fact, I was labeled a hypocrite by one guy, and then there’s this guy, who seems content in refuting all of my points based on arguing that we ought to blindly ditch Windows altogether. Yeah, people missed the point. Read on for more.
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IE7 Redux: Ya'll Missed the Point

I have gotten a lot of email and read a lot of comments about my piece on IE7. The funny thing is, so many people complained and argued my piece about how I’m a fool for liking IE. In fact, I was labeled a hypocrite by one guy, and then there’s this guy, who seems content in refuting all of my points based on arguing that we ought to blindly ditch Windows altogether. Yeah, people missed the point. Read on for more.
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IE7: A Slightly Deeper Look

I’ve heard a bunch of people already whining about Internet Explorer 7 and how much it sucks and how it’s too little too late. I feel confident doing this in one fell swoop: these people are idealistic, out-of-touch, and at their very core, naive. IE7 is a major plus for anyone who understands the internet and networks, and especially for those who do web development. Read on for a lengthy review.
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First Post From Firefox 2

So, seeing as Mozilla released what they expect to be their final release candidate, I went ahead and upgraded my work PC to FF2. It’s time – most of my critical extensions have been updated and so far, so good. It handles all pages beautifully, as expected, and most of the settings no longer feel like they are a mess. Mozilla did a nice job of bringing together what looked silly even a few weeks ago.

Now, I’m still a bit ticked about RSS. For some reason, the Firefox devs feel as though RSS is meant to be handled by a reader, so they have Firefox COMPLETELY IGNORE the <?xml stylesheet?> declaration. I filed a bug report, and it was promptly closed with WONTFIX, although they suggest it might make for interesting discussion – I’m still pissed about it. Why do they get to completely ignore a standard? Microsoft would be GRILLED if they treated users this way (and they do – IE7 also ignores xml stylesheets.)

Anyway, I’ll end up using FF2 probably, but at home I blew off Firefox for Camino, and I’m seriously thinking about moving to Opera at work. In the meantime, my user agent:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061010 Firefox/2.0

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Internet Explorer 7

I saw something today that suggested that IE7 will be pushed out as a “high priority update” with Microsoft’s patches for Patch Tuesday. I sincerely hope this is not true. As a web developer who has seen CSS code not work as intended with IE7, I really hope it’s not true. I haven’t had enough time to fix my code yet.

That said, I really do like IE7. I’m really happy with the layout. I really like the “mini-tab to open a tab” thing. Most people are unaware of how the printing engine of IE7 has changed, but it brings the welcome addition of scaling to page. In fact, the only thing that is simply KILLING me about IE7 is how the Refresh button is on the right side of the address bar, and apparently, unmovable.

Other than that, IE7 gets a big thumbs up from me. I just hope they don’t push it too soon.

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First Post from IE7

So, this is my first post to firsttube.com from Internet Explorer 7 (RC1). I have to admit, I really like this browser. Now, it will definitely not replace Firefox on my work PC, but it’s certainly a hell of a lot better than IE6. A HELL of a lot better.

I really do like the mini-tab new tab button. It’s useful. I also REALLY dig the default RSS stylesheet.

It has a ways to go with CSS still. firsttube.com – the admin portion – actually rendered better in IE6. Some of the javascript and style create some weird uninteded effects, such as dynamically displayed divs overlapping out of their container div.

Also, the refresh button KILLS me. It’s on the other side of the address bar, and as far as I can tell, can’t be moved. This is REALLY lame. I hate that.

I sold my Macbook Pro the other night to a fellow geek who wanted to tri-boot Windows, Linux, and the Mac OS. I gave him about a hour and a half tutorial, and he actually kept dropping to the terminal to run commands like a true geek. He was very happy, and has since told me about how happy he is with it.

In the meantime, I bought a new iMac: 20″ with the 256 video card. I’ll need to add some RAM, but in the meantime, it’s going to be awesome.

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