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		<title>Enter: IceApe and IceDove</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debian has off-shooted IceDove and IceApe to replace Thunderbird and Seamonkey respectively. I am sick to my stomach that I think that they sound cool and have such great icons. This means I will want to use them. Maybe I&#8217;ll &#8230; <a href="http://www.firsttube.com/read/Enter-IceApe-and-IceDove/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debian has off-shooted IceDove and IceApe to replace Thunderbird and Seamonkey respectively.  I am sick to my stomach that I think that they sound cool and have such great icons.  This means I will want to use them.  Maybe I&#8217;ll just change my User Agent string to masquerade as IceWeasel so I feel cool.  I really want to use these apps though.  I&#8217;m such a sheep.    </p>
<p><img src="http://firsttube.com/uploads/icedove.png" alt="IceDove" align="left" />I really am finding that there is a certain quality about free software fanatics and operating systems junkie which I&#8217;m calling &#8220;trial addiction.&#8221;  I love OS X and I&#8217;m happy with it, but I&#8217;m really interested in installing every new version of Linux and playing with it.  And I feel that way about apps too.  I love downloading them and just checking them out, even though I don&#8217;t actually use them for any extended period.  It makes the Windows registry a mess, but with AppZapper, there&#8217;s no real penalty on a Mac.  </p>
<p>IceApe has me a bit confused though.  I don&#8217;t know of any modern Linux distros (save Linspire, which is commercial anyway) which bundles SeaMonkey.  That means that nearly all SeaMonkey installs are post-sysinstall.  And if someone is going to download the app, why not just install SeaMonkey proper? What&#8217;s the point of adding another open source app that needs maintenance when you have several great ones (like XMMS) which are dying and unmaintained.  Seems a bit redundant to offer IceApe when most people will bundle IceWeasel or install SeaMonkey.  </p>
<p><img src="http://firsttube.com/uploads/iceape.png" alt="IceApe" align="right" />Personally, I am waiting to see an extension that imports the new IceWeasel and IceApe features into Firefox proper.  This is the benefit of XUL and extensions (or Add-Ons, as they&#8217;ve been inexplicably renamed).  I&#8217;m looking forward to watching the Ice* suite push the Mozilla devs to make better software.  God knows, that&#8217;s what the drive of free software really is &#8211; better free software.</p>
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		<title>IceWeasel and the Focus Failure of Free Software Fans</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Technology]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been thinking a lot about this Ice Weasel fiasco lately, and I&#8217;ve begun to see it as a failure of the open source aim. I&#8217;m really bummed out that it&#8217;s come to this. I&#8217;m disappointed in Mozilla, I&#8217;m &#8230; <a href="http://www.firsttube.com/read/iceweasel-and-the-focus-failure/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking a lot about this <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel">Ice Weasel fiasco</a> lately, and I&#8217;ve begun to see it as a failure of the open source aim.  I&#8217;m really bummed out that it&#8217;s come to this.  I&#8217;m disappointed in Mozilla, I&#8217;m sick and tired of Debian, and yet, I &#8220;get&#8221; both sides.  Read on for my breakdown of this issue.</p>
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Here&#8217;s a brief synopsis of the issue:</p>
<p>Awhile back, someone Mozilla said, &#8220;we had to change our name from Phoenix, and we had to change our name from Firebird, so dammit, this time, we&#8217;re going to trademark our name.  So they did.  And along with that trademark came some rules, which included restricting the use of the icon and the name.  In other words &#8211; &#8220;if you modify our code, it&#8217;s no longer really &#8216;Firefox,&#8217; so you can&#8217;t call it Firefox, and you can&#8217;t use the logo.&#8221;</p>
<p><img src="http://firsttube.com/uploads/iceweasel3.png" alt="iceweasel 3" align="right" />Fair enough.  If you download code, add a bunch of buggy crap that opens security holes, I&#8217;m sure the developer doesn&#8217;t want to you to distribute your product using (and potentially soiling) their name.  So Mozilla says, &#8220;Feel free to distribute Firefox, but once you change it, it&#8217;s no longer Firefox.&#8221;  And I get that.  And I&#8217;m cool with it.</p>
<p>Debian, being the arrow straight guys that they are, said, &#8220;Whoa Nelly! Now that you&#8217;ve put some restrictions on our use, this isn&#8217;t free software.  I can&#8217;t do what I want with it without limit.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Mozilla said &#8220;Ok, you can use the name Firefox.&#8221;</p>
<p>And Debian said, &#8220;But your logo&#8217;s trademark violates the <a href="http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines">Debian free software guidelines</a> in our social contract.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Mozilla said, &#8220;Ok, fine, you get two choices: one, you but you can run all patches by us, so that we approve what is called &#8216;Firefox.&#8217;  Two, you can change the name of your project.&#8221;</p>
<p><img src="http://firsttube.com/uploads/iceweasel2.png" alt="iceweasel 2" align="left" />Thus, after some whippersnapper came up with the awful pun IceWeasel (Fire/Ice, Fox/Weasel), even thought WaterWeasel would have maintained the alliterative name and been much better, they decided to add their own patches too.  And the crappy thing is, I kinda like the patches.</p>
<p>So the question is &#8211; is it THAT important to be completely free? Is there anyone besides Richard Stallman and a few weird beards who are this passionate about using free software with a <em>slightly</em> restricted logo, restricted mainly so the project doesn&#8217;t find themselves in trouble later?</p>
<p>On top of this, they now will damage Firefox prevalence by adding yet ANOTHER browser to the mix.</p>
<p>Because this is a big issue! I see more and more open source projects having to get trademarks and restricting their use if this nonsense with IP law continues.</p>
<p>I tend to blame Debian here.  I wish their rules weren&#8217;t so black and white.  Sometimes computer users tend to be really overly critical and very matter of fact about things.  The real world is gray.  There are very few absolutes, and I usually find that people who think in absolutes are hard-headed, inflexible, and rarely fun to be around.</p>
<p>This reminds me of <a href="http://www.osnews.com/story.php/13691/Podcast-Episode-2-Are-We-Happier-When-Were-Fighting">a podcast I recorded for OSNews</a>. We are so preoccupied with fighting we rarely face the real issues.  Debian can&#8217;t be bothered to rally hardware manufacturers for better Linux drivers, but rather, set their sights on taking down Mozilla, who has produced Buzilla, Thunderbird, Seamonkey, Lightning, and Firefox.  Makes sense&#8230; not.</p>
<p>IceWeasel is going to get a bunch of users right away.  I think Ubuntu has considerably large userbase for popular Linux users, and IceWeasel sounds really cutting edge.  On top of that, Firefox 2 was just released and it&#8217;s pretty underwhelming from a user standpoint.  Other than close buttons on each tab, it&#8217;s barely different, and IceWeasel will boast some neat new features, which will interest people.  I predict we&#8217;ll see it on Windows in the next few months too.</p>
<p>The question is &#8211; is this the best use of our time??</p>
<p><small>If I&#8217;ve gotten any of this wrong or misunderstood any of this story, feel free to post any corrections or notations in the comments and I will gladly update this piece.</small></p>
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