Comments on: Vista: To Get or Not To Get http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/ crunchy nuggets, served semi-daily Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:05:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Thom Holwerda http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-501 Thom Holwerda Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:05:16 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-501 Mail.app is a disaster. It's slow as hell.<br /> <br /> The best email clients for me are Outlook 2003/2007, BeAM, and Outlook:Mac 5.2 for OS9. All of those offer advanced filtering features.<br /> <br /> Evo is good too, it's just that it is RIDDLED with memory leaks. Mail.app is a disaster. It’s slow as hell.

The best email clients for me are Outlook 2003/2007, BeAM, and Outlook:Mac 5.2 for OS9. All of those offer advanced filtering features.

Evo is good too, it’s just that it is RIDDLED with memory leaks.

]]> By: Eugenia http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-61 Eugenia Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:40:57 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-61 >But why do you need all 70,000 in one box?<br /> <br /> It is on different subfolders, but on the same db. I need all of the old emails because at least 2-3 times a week I need to search within old emails to find email addresses and follow up with quoted text. I need this when I need to email Asian companies for review items for example, or for press people from some companies. For example, I only need the Apple reps old quoted emails once a year only, so I can book my seat for WWDC. I need the old quotation so I can remind them who I am... ;-)<br /> <br /> BTW, OE is *extremely* fast reading through 30,000 emails in a single folder. Thunderbird takes FOUR minutes to count them and read their headers. There are many people online saying how "bad" OE is, but in fact, it is one of the best clients ever written. Extremely fast, and super-stable. >But why do you need all 70,000 in one box?

It is on different subfolders, but on the same db. I need all of the old emails because at least 2-3 times a week I need to search within old emails to find email addresses and follow up with quoted text. I need this when I need to email Asian companies for review items for example, or for press people from some companies. For example, I only need the Apple reps old quoted emails once a year only, so I can book my seat for WWDC. I need the old quotation so I can remind them who I am… ;-)

BTW, OE is *extremely* fast reading through 30,000 emails in a single folder. Thunderbird takes FOUR minutes to count them and read their headers. There are many people online saying how “bad” OE is, but in fact, it is one of the best clients ever written. Extremely fast, and super-stable.

]]> By: Adam S http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-500 Adam S Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:45:48 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-500 <i>I personally despise Mail.app (too loaded for what I need, and slow)</i><br /> <br /> For backup, it's never been a problem. I'm at about 12,000 messages. <br /> <br /> <br /> <i>while Thunderbird is simply unstable, corrupts and DB every few months and it is not able to properly load my 70,000 emails (I tried).</i><br /> <br /> But why do you need all 70,000 in one box? Why not burn off an archived file every year? It's like I do with PSTs on Outlook, I cap them off at a certain timeframe and detach the PST until I need it. <br /> <br /> <i>I can't switch to any other email app, because I can't trust any other except OE or Outlook. I find the interface of OE very nice actually.</i><br /> <br /> I don't mind the UI of OE, the problem is that I don't like the JetDB behind the OE mails. But I understand that it handles the load you need. I personally despise Mail.app (too loaded for what I need, and slow)

For backup, it’s never been a problem. I’m at about 12,000 messages.

while Thunderbird is simply unstable, corrupts and DB every few months and it is not able to properly load my 70,000 emails (I tried).

But why do you need all 70,000 in one box? Why not burn off an archived file every year? It’s like I do with PSTs on Outlook, I cap them off at a certain timeframe and detach the PST until I need it.

I can’t switch to any other email app, because I can’t trust any other except OE or Outlook. I find the interface of OE very nice actually.

I don’t mind the UI of OE, the problem is that I don’t like the JetDB behind the OE mails. But I understand that it handles the load you need.

]]> By: Eugenia http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-499 Eugenia Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:16:45 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-499 I personally despise Mail.app (too loaded for what I need, and slow) while Thunderbird is simply unstable, corrupts and DB every few months and it is not able to properly load my 70,000 emails (I tried). I can't switch to any other email app, because I can't trust any other except OE or Outlook. I find the interface of OE very nice actually. I personally despise Mail.app (too loaded for what I need, and slow) while Thunderbird is simply unstable, corrupts and DB every few months and it is not able to properly load my 70,000 emails (I tried). I can’t switch to any other email app, because I can’t trust any other except OE or Outlook. I find the interface of OE very nice actually.

]]> By: Adam S http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-498 Adam S Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:33:22 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-498 Oh yeah, one more thing I meant to have included in the article:<br /> <br /> <a href="http://www.intelliadmin.com/blog/2007/01/5-sins-of-vista.html">www.intelliadmin.com</a> Oh yeah, one more thing I meant to have included in the article:

http://www.intelliadmin.com

]]> By: Adam S http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-497 Adam S Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:31:55 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-497 Actually, your points are really some very good ones: cell phone emulators and some video chat apps are amongst the many apps that are Windows only, and at some point, probably 3-5 years from now, they may be Vista only. This is one of the best reasons I've heard for moving to Vista. <br /> <br /> If you actually like OE (I despise it for various reasons) then you may find Windows Mail to be a welcome upgrade. I am one of those people who uses webmail exclusively and uses Mail.app for a backup on Mac and Thunderbird for a backup on Windows. But this may be another reason for you, if you're a desktop mail client person, to move to Vista in time.<br /> <br /> I, however, have really gotten much more at home in my own little suite of apps: SubEthaEdit, Camino, Transmit, ImageTricks, iTunes, iPhoto, and a few others. I probably will not own a Windows box at home for a very long time, if ever again. Actually, your points are really some very good ones: cell phone emulators and some video chat apps are amongst the many apps that are Windows only, and at some point, probably 3-5 years from now, they may be Vista only. This is one of the best reasons I’ve heard for moving to Vista.

If you actually like OE (I despise it for various reasons) then you may find Windows Mail to be a welcome upgrade. I am one of those people who uses webmail exclusively and uses Mail.app for a backup on Mac and Thunderbird for a backup on Windows. But this may be another reason for you, if you’re a desktop mail client person, to move to Vista in time.

I, however, have really gotten much more at home in my own little suite of apps: SubEthaEdit, Camino, Transmit, ImageTricks, iTunes, iPhoto, and a few others. I probably will not own a Windows box at home for a very long time, if ever again.

]]> By: Eugenia http://www.firsttube.com/read/vista-to-get-or-not-to-get/comment-page-1/#comment-60 Eugenia Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:26:30 +0000 http://firsttubecom/read/Vista-To-Get-Or-Not-To-Get#comment-60 I won't buy Vista either, but I will keep it if I happen top buy a new laptop from DELL or something. But this is not because I dislike Vista or MS. It is because XP has reached nirvana for me. It has a few small problems, but I prefer XP to any other OS out there in terms of overall experience (OE is the best mail client, there are a lot of apps that don't exist on other OSes, e.g. phone emulators, video chats for everything except AIM etc). OSX is second IMO because I need features and stability and backwards compatibility that doesn't exist in that OS and its app base. I won’t buy Vista either, but I will keep it if I happen top buy a new laptop from DELL or something. But this is not because I dislike Vista or MS. It is because XP has reached nirvana for me. It has a few small problems, but I prefer XP to any other OS out there in terms of overall experience (OE is the best mail client, there are a lot of apps that don’t exist on other OSes, e.g. phone emulators, video chats for everything except AIM etc). OSX is second IMO because I need features and stability and backwards compatibility that doesn’t exist in that OS and its app base.

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