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	<title>Comments on: The Decemberists&#8217; &#8220;The Hazards of Love&#8221;: An Interpretation</title>
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		<title>By: Sheldon Satenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheldon Satenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this has been suggested, but one possible reading of the ambiguity around the child could be that the Queen rescues him from the river and the entire cycle begins again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this has been suggested, but one possible reading of the ambiguity around the child could be that the Queen rescues him from the river and the entire cycle begins again.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interpretation, and much like Tommy,  the music is there for you to interpret the story for yourself. I listened to it again after reading this interpretation, and theres one thing that kind of jumps out at me. The song Hazards of Love 3 (Revenge!) The rake has already been killed and his punishment is to have to spend eternity with his murdered children, who were basically the bane of his existence. Perhaps it could even be viewed as somewhat of a redemption. This time, he can&#039;t escape them and they&#039;ll be together eternally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interpretation, and much like Tommy,  the music is there for you to interpret the story for yourself. I listened to it again after reading this interpretation, and theres one thing that kind of jumps out at me. The song Hazards of Love 3 (Revenge!) The rake has already been killed and his punishment is to have to spend eternity with his murdered children, who were basically the bane of his existence. Perhaps it could even be viewed as somewhat of a redemption. This time, he can&#8217;t escape them and they&#8217;ll be together eternally.</p>
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		<title>By: nice one</title>
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		<dc:creator>nice one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2011 03:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is an awesome review/summary. thanks so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is an awesome review/summary. thanks so much!</p>
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		<title>By: J.R. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.R. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My only disagreement is that they most certainly did not swim, they had a boat to cross Annan Water with in Hazards 4. &quot;Margaret arrayed the rocks around the hull as it was sinking&quot;, along with &quot;A million holes within the chinking&quot;, the chinking being part of a log construction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only disagreement is that they most certainly did not swim, they had a boat to cross Annan Water with in Hazards 4. &#8220;Margaret arrayed the rocks around the hull as it was sinking&#8221;, along with &#8220;A million holes within the chinking&#8221;, the chinking being part of a log construction.</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2011 05:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, I&#039;d like to extend my undying gratitude for this explanation and all the comments that followed. Hearing this album has been and will continue to be a spiritually and psychologically enriching experience. Obviously, the literary complexity of these songs leaves me fascinated, enchanted, but also mind-boggled at times, so this discussion comes with great satisfaction, and I love seeing all the different points of view from different listeners. That being said, I would like to partake in the discussion and share some conclusions that I&#039;ve arrived at after listening through many times and reading all these great comments. Also, I would like to add that I may have missed some key hidden meanings in the lyrics, and I&#039;ll be the first to admit that I cannot make heads or tails of some parts yet, so PLEASE if you have any reply to my conclusions it would be greatly appreciated. I know I wrote a whole bunch and it might be kind of a drag to read, but if you do decide to read it, I only ask that you read all of it and carefully before giving feedback. Alright, here goes:

My first thought that differs from most of these theories is that William and Margaret&#039;s baby was born during &quot;Isn&#039;t it a Lovely Night?&quot; The previous song expresses the love and happiness that they both share with each other and it seems redundant to me that they would again express these feelings in two consecutive songs... unless, of course, something wonderful and life changing occurred, such as their baby being born. If this is the case, then it follows that when the Rake kidnapped Margaret, he left the baby abandoned in the forest where William and Margaret had made their little love nest. This supports the idea of the story being cyclical; a baby abandoned in the woods seemingly destined to be &quot;rescued&quot; by the Queen. This also, as a response to Kya in an earlier comment, gives William and Margaret an incentive to cross Annan Water again, to try to get back to their baby. This makes sense to me from what I understand, but Kya brings up the good point that the lyrics in the last song indicate Margaret as being in a state of mourning and having already taken measures for a sort of funeral. Unfortunately, the first six lines of &quot;Hazards of Love 4 (The Drowned)&quot; are quite incomprehensible to me. 
My second thought involves simply the location of William during &quot;The Wanting Comes in Waves/Repaid&quot; It seems to me that after &quot;Isn&#039;t it a Lovely Night?&quot; the rest of the events in the story happens in the span of one night, the last night for William to be free of the Queen before she takes him forever. The Queen catches William with Margaret and gets furious, but William bargains with her then and there because he needs to be with Margaret and the new born baby on the night of the birth. This is another reason why I think the baby is born on that night; it seemed strange to me that William would risk it all so blatantly to spend a random night with Margaret. If the baby was not in the picture, it seems more like that William would bide his time and wait for the opportune moment to run off with Margaret, instead of pleading to his mom to let him spend one night. The birth of his child, however, in addition to being caught in the act, would give William enough incentive to lie to his mother&#039;s face and plead for just one more night in exchange for a life of servitude. 

Well, there it is! If you took the time to read, thank you sooo much, I really appreciate it. And thanks to the person who wrote this explanation in the first place for giving me this opportunity to share my ideas about something I&#039;ve come to love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I&#8217;d like to extend my undying gratitude for this explanation and all the comments that followed. Hearing this album has been and will continue to be a spiritually and psychologically enriching experience. Obviously, the literary complexity of these songs leaves me fascinated, enchanted, but also mind-boggled at times, so this discussion comes with great satisfaction, and I love seeing all the different points of view from different listeners. That being said, I would like to partake in the discussion and share some conclusions that I&#8217;ve arrived at after listening through many times and reading all these great comments. Also, I would like to add that I may have missed some key hidden meanings in the lyrics, and I&#8217;ll be the first to admit that I cannot make heads or tails of some parts yet, so PLEASE if you have any reply to my conclusions it would be greatly appreciated. I know I wrote a whole bunch and it might be kind of a drag to read, but if you do decide to read it, I only ask that you read all of it and carefully before giving feedback. Alright, here goes:</p>
<p>My first thought that differs from most of these theories is that William and Margaret&#8217;s baby was born during &#8220;Isn&#8217;t it a Lovely Night?&#8221; The previous song expresses the love and happiness that they both share with each other and it seems redundant to me that they would again express these feelings in two consecutive songs&#8230; unless, of course, something wonderful and life changing occurred, such as their baby being born. If this is the case, then it follows that when the Rake kidnapped Margaret, he left the baby abandoned in the forest where William and Margaret had made their little love nest. This supports the idea of the story being cyclical; a baby abandoned in the woods seemingly destined to be &#8220;rescued&#8221; by the Queen. This also, as a response to Kya in an earlier comment, gives William and Margaret an incentive to cross Annan Water again, to try to get back to their baby. This makes sense to me from what I understand, but Kya brings up the good point that the lyrics in the last song indicate Margaret as being in a state of mourning and having already taken measures for a sort of funeral. Unfortunately, the first six lines of &#8220;Hazards of Love 4 (The Drowned)&#8221; are quite incomprehensible to me.<br />
My second thought involves simply the location of William during &#8220;The Wanting Comes in Waves/Repaid&#8221; It seems to me that after &#8220;Isn&#8217;t it a Lovely Night?&#8221; the rest of the events in the story happens in the span of one night, the last night for William to be free of the Queen before she takes him forever. The Queen catches William with Margaret and gets furious, but William bargains with her then and there because he needs to be with Margaret and the new born baby on the night of the birth. This is another reason why I think the baby is born on that night; it seemed strange to me that William would risk it all so blatantly to spend a random night with Margaret. If the baby was not in the picture, it seems more like that William would bide his time and wait for the opportune moment to run off with Margaret, instead of pleading to his mom to let him spend one night. The birth of his child, however, in addition to being caught in the act, would give William enough incentive to lie to his mother&#8217;s face and plead for just one more night in exchange for a life of servitude. </p>
<p>Well, there it is! If you took the time to read, thank you sooo much, I really appreciate it. And thanks to the person who wrote this explanation in the first place for giving me this opportunity to share my ideas about something I&#8217;ve come to love.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 04:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha this reminds me of an experience I had with my father. We had recently bought and listened to Castaways for the first time, and he told me how much he liked July July. I told him it was about murder and he was freaked out ;0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha this reminds me of an experience I had with my father. We had recently bought and listened to Castaways for the first time, and he told me how much he liked July July. I told him it was about murder and he was freaked out ;0</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 02:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be sad.... It would mean that the Queen may have another baby to care for and the tragedy may repeat itself. :(

However it is nice to have at least one happy conclusion to be left with, considering the heart-wrenching ending.</description>
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<p>However it is nice to have at least one happy conclusion to be left with, considering the heart-wrenching ending.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to have found this so late, but I only recently &#039;discovered&#039; the Decemberists!  The complexity of their song meanings is definitely part of the appeal.  I have a theory I haven&#039;t seen mentioned--is it possible that the Infanta (from the song of the same name on Picaresque) could be Margaret and William&#039;s child? At the end of the song, the lyrics are: &quot;And the babe, all in slumber dreams
 Of a place filled with quiet streams
 And the lake where her cradle was pulled from the water.&quot;
It&#039;s made clear that the Infanta was found by the water, and is not the biological child of the king and queen, but nothing more is explained about her origin.
Knowing that they&#039;ve linked songs from different albums this way before (Meloy stated that &#039;Leslie Ann Levine&#039; was the sequel to &#039;We Both Go Down Together&#039;), I wonder if these two might also be linked?
Great explanation of the album and discussion--lots of food for thought!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to have found this so late, but I only recently &#8216;discovered&#8217; the Decemberists!  The complexity of their song meanings is definitely part of the appeal.  I have a theory I haven&#8217;t seen mentioned&#8211;is it possible that the Infanta (from the song of the same name on Picaresque) could be Margaret and William&#8217;s child? At the end of the song, the lyrics are: &#8220;And the babe, all in slumber dreams<br />
 Of a place filled with quiet streams<br />
 And the lake where her cradle was pulled from the water.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s made clear that the Infanta was found by the water, and is not the biological child of the king and queen, but nothing more is explained about her origin.<br />
Knowing that they&#8217;ve linked songs from different albums this way before (Meloy stated that &#8216;Leslie Ann Levine&#8217; was the sequel to &#8216;We Both Go Down Together&#8217;), I wonder if these two might also be linked?<br />
Great explanation of the album and discussion&#8211;lots of food for thought!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric scammell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric scammell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 22:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Offa was the King of Mercia from 757 until his death in July 796</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offa was the King of Mercia from 757 until his death in July 796</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one thing that makes the story alot more interesting... I know this isn&#039;t what was intended, but what if the rake is the one who impregnates margaret and william is looking at her from a distance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one thing that makes the story alot more interesting&#8230; I know this isn&#8217;t what was intended, but what if the rake is the one who impregnates margaret and william is looking at her from a distance?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 22:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;clay&quot; could very well be what they think they saw when the ashes met water and were transformed into a maleable medium.  But I still have a very hard time believing that Isaiah (Eziah?) is William.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;clay&#8221; could very well be what they think they saw when the ashes met water and were transformed into a maleable medium.  But I still have a very hard time believing that Isaiah (Eziah?) is William.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice.  Well, NOT nice... but astute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice.  Well, NOT nice&#8230; but astute.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DOUBLE &quot;wow!&quot;!!</description>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow!  Talk about a stretch... yet a stretch that makes artistic sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow!  Talk about a stretch&#8230; yet a stretch that makes artistic sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the detailed explanation of &quot;the Taiga&quot;; at first I wasn&#039;t sure if it was a geographic location or a metaphorical beast (and NOT just the horrible type of &quot;beast&quot;), but it seems that it could be fickle... with a chance to influence outcomes based on whomever was in its presence.  Actually, there are a lot of metaphors used - duh! of course there are - but they are meant to make an all-to-common story seem grander in scope with a general rendering;  but, then again, it IS a story about specific people in an unspecified time (though well before THESE modern times and likely before or near the beginning of the industrial revolution).  The story dictates the music, rather than a beat and some riffs laid out, waiting for lyrics to be &quot;insert(ed) here&quot; later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the detailed explanation of &#8220;the Taiga&#8221;; at first I wasn&#8217;t sure if it was a geographic location or a metaphorical beast (and NOT just the horrible type of &#8220;beast&#8221;), but it seems that it could be fickle&#8230; with a chance to influence outcomes based on whomever was in its presence.  Actually, there are a lot of metaphors used &#8211; duh! of course there are &#8211; but they are meant to make an all-to-common story seem grander in scope with a general rendering;  but, then again, it IS a story about specific people in an unspecified time (though well before THESE modern times and likely before or near the beginning of the industrial revolution).  The story dictates the music, rather than a beat and some riffs laid out, waiting for lyrics to be &#8220;insert(ed) here&#8221; later.</p>
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