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		<title>By: firsttube.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Firefox: Like An Old Shoe</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>firsttube.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Firefox: Like An Old Shoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has let me down many times before, and the Mozilla Firefox developers have disappointed me. So I switched to Opera, and it&#8217;s made me very happy. I have really learned to love Speed Dial, and user javascript [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has let me down many times before, and the Mozilla Firefox developers have disappointed me. So I switched to Opera, and it&#8217;s made me very happy. I have really learned to love Speed Dial, and user javascript [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The backslash character appears okay in the preview, but disappeared from the last post.  If it appears in this post, that is because it is escaped by a second backslash.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, thanks it&#039;s a bug that I have been lazy about fixing.  I&#039;ll take care of it this weekend for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The backslash character appears okay in the preview, but disappeared from the last post.  If it appears in this post, that is because it is escaped by a second backslash.</i></p>
<p>Yes, thanks it&#8217;s a bug that I have been lazy about fixing.  I&#8217;ll take care of it this weekend for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: R. A. Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>R. A. Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well something is regular expression challenged.  The backslash character `` appears okay in the preview, but disappeared from the last post.  If it appears in this post, that is because it is escaped by a second backslash.  Here goes nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well something is regular expression challenged.  The backslash character &#8220; appears okay in the preview, but disappeared from the last post.  If it appears in this post, that is because it is escaped by a second backslash.  Here goes nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: R. A. Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>R. A. Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, forgot to put my name on that last post. Duh.&lt;br /&gt;
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BTW, is Small Axe injecting the `` character into the Subject: line before the `&#039;` character?  It&#039;s rather annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, forgot to put my name on that last post. Duh.</p>
<p>BTW, is Small Axe injecting the &#8220; character into the Subject: line before the `&#8217;` character?  It&#8217;s rather annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, you suffer from low expectations.  :-)&lt;br /&gt;
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BTW, I have observed that when Camino gets sufficiently bloated to start crushing the rest of the system to death, it seems to have a large number of (possibly zombie) JVM threads.  Certainly, the process owns many more threads than it does when it starts up.  Also, when I sample the process (i.e. select &lt;i&gt;View&lt;/i&gt; &gt; &lt;i&gt;Sample Process&lt;/i&gt; from the &lt;i&gt;Activity Viewer&lt;/i&gt; application), most of the threads seem to be stalled (i.e. every frame in the thread&#039;s stack has the same frequency count implying that thread has not executed during the sampling period) inside the JVM (or at least, I am assuming that is the case from the symbol names prefixed with &quot;JVM&quot;).  It is possible that zombie threads with undead JVMs might be responsible for much of the memory leakage.  Just a theory, but I have experienced other problems with the JVM plugin for Camino.&lt;br /&gt;
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Do you observe similar behaviour with Camino?  I&#039;d like to gather enough information to file a bug report, but at the moment I don&#039;t really have anything specific enough to report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, you suffer from low expectations.  <img src='http://www.firsttube.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>BTW, I have observed that when Camino gets sufficiently bloated to start crushing the rest of the system to death, it seems to have a large number of (possibly zombie) JVM threads.  Certainly, the process owns many more threads than it does when it starts up.  Also, when I sample the process (i.e. select <i>View</i> > <i>Sample Process</i> from the <i>Activity Viewer</i> application), most of the threads seem to be stalled (i.e. every frame in the thread&#8217;s stack has the same frequency count implying that thread has not executed during the sampling period) inside the JVM (or at least, I am assuming that is the case from the symbol names prefixed with &#8220;JVM&#8221;).  It is possible that zombie threads with undead JVMs might be responsible for much of the memory leakage.  Just a theory, but I have experienced other problems with the JVM plugin for Camino.</p>
<p>Do you observe similar behaviour with Camino?  I&#8217;d like to gather enough information to file a bug report, but at the moment I don&#8217;t really have anything specific enough to report.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam S</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Camino exhibits memory leaks and if left open for a couple of weeks&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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A couple of... WEEKS? That&#039;s fine by me! &lt;br /&gt;
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FF and Flock exhibits problems after several hours of use.  A single, uninterupted Camino session works for me for weeks - regularly.  Optimistic or not, that&#039;s pretty damned good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Camino exhibits memory leaks and if left open for a couple of weeks</i></p>
<p>A couple of&#8230; WEEKS? That&#8217;s fine by me! </p>
<p>FF and Flock exhibits problems after several hours of use.  A single, uninterupted Camino session works for me for weeks &#8211; regularly.  Optimistic or not, that&#8217;s pretty damned good!</p>
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		<title>By: R. A. Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.firsttube.com/read/Take-Three-Enter-Opera/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>R. A. Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience Camino exhibits memory leaks and if left open for a couple of weeks will eat much of system memory.  Once that happens, the browser will hang whenever the automatic garbage collector is invoked.  Eventually the browser&#039;s garbage collector will thrash the system since traversing the object graph requires constant memory paging.  Since a garbage collector is used, the likely source of many of the memory leaks is the failure to nullify a pointer when the object to which the pointer points is no longer needed.  There is something of a misconception that in systems with automatic garbage collection, objects do not need to be released; in reality, the way to release an unneeded object is to nullify the referencing pointer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience Camino exhibits memory leaks and if left open for a couple of weeks will eat much of system memory.  Once that happens, the browser will hang whenever the automatic garbage collector is invoked.  Eventually the browser&#8217;s garbage collector will thrash the system since traversing the object graph requires constant memory paging.  Since a garbage collector is used, the likely source of many of the memory leaks is the failure to nullify a pointer when the object to which the pointer points is no longer needed.  There is something of a misconception that in systems with automatic garbage collection, objects do not need to be released; in reality, the way to release an unneeded object is to nullify the referencing pointer.</p>
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